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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Where are all the white guys?&#8221; &#8212; Update on &#8220;Do I have the right to refuse this search.&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Kara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never thought I would be treated like a criminal in a country that I was born and raised in!   After traveling with my 12 yr. old daughter today at the SNA airport and having the metal detector beep at me because I was being &quot;randomly&quot; chosen for additional screening as my 12 year old was told to go a different direction, left to take care of our 5 bins of security &quot;stuff&quot; by herself and get away from her criminal Mom.  A cocky, too much powered TSA male worker, the same one that took 10 minutes on our boarding passes, drawing all over them, RAN to get in front of me snapping his gloves and said, &quot;didn&#039;t expect to see me again!&quot; even though there was a TSA woman in front of me that was ready to do the screening, he backed off when I said, &quot;what the h**## do you think you are doing?&quot;, he said, &quot;Oh, there is a woman here to do this.&quot;  After she swabbed me for explosives on my hands, because all white mid 40 Mom&#039;s are out playing with gunpowder before we board planes, she said she didn&#039;t need to pat me down.  Wow, that little TSA powered idiot just made me feel like a harassed, powerless criminal and made my daughter very upset that her Mom was chosen out like a terrorist and she was separated from me.
The U.S. TSA is treating us worse than criminals, they at least have rights!  We can&#039;t even question this kind of treatment as our will for flying is gone!  I will not fly again without my husband, but according to the other comments, this may not even help.  Being a white woman in her mid 40’s is now the discrimination that is facing our country if you want to fly anywhere!
It is out of control and something has to be done. A terrorist will find a way to hurt us if they really want to. In the meantime, the innocent, just trying to fly in and out of the U.S., will be harassed, discriminated and abused for no reason!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never thought I would be treated like a criminal in a country that I was born and raised in!   After traveling with my 12 yr. old daughter today at the SNA airport and having the metal detector beep at me because I was being &#8220;randomly&#8221; chosen for additional screening as my 12 year old was told to go a different direction, left to take care of our 5 bins of security &#8220;stuff&#8221; by herself and get away from her criminal Mom.  A cocky, too much powered TSA male worker, the same one that took 10 minutes on our boarding passes, drawing all over them, RAN to get in front of me snapping his gloves and said, &#8220;didn&#8217;t expect to see me again!&#8221; even though there was a TSA woman in front of me that was ready to do the screening, he backed off when I said, &#8220;what the h**## do you think you are doing?&#8221;, he said, &#8220;Oh, there is a woman here to do this.&#8221;  After she swabbed me for explosives on my hands, because all white mid 40 Mom&#8217;s are out playing with gunpowder before we board planes, she said she didn&#8217;t need to pat me down.  Wow, that little TSA powered idiot just made me feel like a harassed, powerless criminal and made my daughter very upset that her Mom was chosen out like a terrorist and she was separated from me.<br />
The U.S. TSA is treating us worse than criminals, they at least have rights!  We can&#8217;t even question this kind of treatment as our will for flying is gone!  I will not fly again without my husband, but according to the other comments, this may not even help.  Being a white woman in her mid 40’s is now the discrimination that is facing our country if you want to fly anywhere!<br />
It is out of control and something has to be done. A terrorist will find a way to hurt us if they really want to. In the meantime, the innocent, just trying to fly in and out of the U.S., will be harassed, discriminated and abused for no reason!!!</p>
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		<title>By: J. Anthony Carter</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Anthony Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 21:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When is this inane travesty going to end? It started with G.W.(Idiot) Bush using &quot;Terrorism&quot; as a bugaboo to scare us all into giving him ultimate power over his own citizenry and then he places a Gestapo-type department in charge of &quot;supposed&quot; airport security, but whose real job is humiliating, harassing and insulting Americans INSIDE of our own country!
    This IS NOT the land of the free and the home of the brave! We HAVE to totally eliminate Homeland Security and every one of their untrained, incompletely trained, lying, Nazis NOW! There is no need for &quot;terrorism&quot; security IN the USA! No need for people to irradiate us without our consent! No need for strange, incompetent, idiots to grope us like we&#039;re in prison and have to be checked for &quot;shivs&quot; and fingernail clippers! NO NEED!! Stop the freakin&#039; INSANITY!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When is this inane travesty going to end? It started with G.W.(Idiot) Bush using &#8220;Terrorism&#8221; as a bugaboo to scare us all into giving him ultimate power over his own citizenry and then he places a Gestapo-type department in charge of &#8220;supposed&#8221; airport security, but whose real job is humiliating, harassing and insulting Americans INSIDE of our own country!<br />
    This IS NOT the land of the free and the home of the brave! We HAVE to totally eliminate Homeland Security and every one of their untrained, incompletely trained, lying, Nazis NOW! There is no need for &#8220;terrorism&#8221; security IN the USA! No need for people to irradiate us without our consent! No need for strange, incompetent, idiots to grope us like we&#8217;re in prison and have to be checked for &#8220;shivs&#8221; and fingernail clippers! NO NEED!! Stop the freakin&#8217; INSANITY!!!</p>
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		<title>By: danny thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>danny thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 09:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was RANDOMLY selected on 3 consecutive flights in USA...when I asked why  and how could it be random the security agent asked when I had booked my flight and was it one-way when I told him that tickets had been booked recently and one-way he said &quot;Oh ! that&#039;s it then you will always be checked &quot; I then told him that he had just told me how to get by random searches. handy advice for me if I was a &quot;Bad Guy&quot;....some security...worrying isn&#039;t it ??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was RANDOMLY selected on 3 consecutive flights in USA&#8230;when I asked why  and how could it be random the security agent asked when I had booked my flight and was it one-way when I told him that tickets had been booked recently and one-way he said &#8220;Oh ! that&#8217;s it then you will always be checked &#8221; I then told him that he had just told me how to get by random searches. handy advice for me if I was a &#8220;Bad Guy&#8221;&#8230;.some security&#8230;worrying isn&#8217;t it ??</p>
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		<title>By: Norm Grande</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norm Grande</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out how security could be done better...

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2006/08/23/what_israeli_security_could_teach_us/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out how security could be done better&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2006/08/23/what_israeli_security_could_teach_us/" rel="nofollow">http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2006/08/23/what_israeli_security_could_teach_us/</a></p>
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		<title>By: hwKeitel</title>
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		<dc:creator>hwKeitel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 10:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris
&quot;If the green lamp, you proceeded through to the scanners. If the red light, you stepped aside for additional screening.&quot;

this is a great way to enforce the random selection, but you lose the intuition of a good screener. a skilled and experienced screener should notice the behaviour of the people (sweating, nerviness, etc.). having a beard or being a woman is not random and not a suspicious fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris<br />
&#8220;If the green lamp, you proceeded through to the scanners. If the red light, you stepped aside for additional screening.&#8221;</p>
<p>this is a great way to enforce the random selection, but you lose the intuition of a good screener. a skilled and experienced screener should notice the behaviour of the people (sweating, nerviness, etc.). having a beard or being a woman is not random and not a suspicious fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Seattlite</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seattlite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a few years ago at a tiny regional airport with 5 gates. I originally went through security with about an hour until my flight was scheduled to leave. I was about 25 and an average looking white female.

Going through screening I was &quot;randomly&quot; selected. They ran a cloth pad over my carry-on and put it into a machine (haven&#039;t seen this for a couple years now). Whatever they were looking for came up as a hit. The person running the machine was shocked and therefore ran a new cloth over the same location like 10 more times. All of them set the machine off.

She took EVERYTHING out of my bag and felt along everywhere in it to see if there was a hidden area or anything. She then went through everything that was in my bag and didn&#039;t find anything. She then called a supervisor over and told them what was going on. They ran a couple more cloths over different parts of my bag and identified and exact location that was alerting the machine.

While they&#039;re testing my bag and going through my things, but flight is repeatedly announced over the loudspeaker.

Eventually they start questioning me. Do I own any firearms? Have I been near any firearms or to any firing ranges? Do I deal with chemicals? I answered everything they asked and told them I had no idea how anything like that could have gotten into my bag. The only thing I could remember happening is that on my last trip some of my conditioner had leaked out of a bottle and gotten on the bag. They stepped away for a bit to confer. I mentioned to them that my flight was on the final boarding call and I didn&#039;t want to miss it. They told me, &quot;This is about national security.&quot;

Finally they came back to me said they were going to have to pat me down and make me sign something. They did the pat down (honestly I don&#039;t remember how thorough it was) and made me re-answer all of the questions they asked me before on a form. Then I had to explain that I had spilled conditioner in my bag and try to remember what brand it was. I went ahead and signed it - only because I was REALLY afraid I was going to miss my flight. They had started paging me, using my name.

The screeners were happy with my filling out of the form and wished me a nice day. The airline gate person read me the riot act for holding up the plane.

I just remember thinking at the time: &quot;How did making me sign something make anything any safer?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a few years ago at a tiny regional airport with 5 gates. I originally went through security with about an hour until my flight was scheduled to leave. I was about 25 and an average looking white female.</p>
<p>Going through screening I was &#8220;randomly&#8221; selected. They ran a cloth pad over my carry-on and put it into a machine (haven&#8217;t seen this for a couple years now). Whatever they were looking for came up as a hit. The person running the machine was shocked and therefore ran a new cloth over the same location like 10 more times. All of them set the machine off.</p>
<p>She took EVERYTHING out of my bag and felt along everywhere in it to see if there was a hidden area or anything. She then went through everything that was in my bag and didn&#8217;t find anything. She then called a supervisor over and told them what was going on. They ran a couple more cloths over different parts of my bag and identified and exact location that was alerting the machine.</p>
<p>While they&#8217;re testing my bag and going through my things, but flight is repeatedly announced over the loudspeaker.</p>
<p>Eventually they start questioning me. Do I own any firearms? Have I been near any firearms or to any firing ranges? Do I deal with chemicals? I answered everything they asked and told them I had no idea how anything like that could have gotten into my bag. The only thing I could remember happening is that on my last trip some of my conditioner had leaked out of a bottle and gotten on the bag. They stepped away for a bit to confer. I mentioned to them that my flight was on the final boarding call and I didn&#8217;t want to miss it. They told me, &#8220;This is about national security.&#8221;</p>
<p>Finally they came back to me said they were going to have to pat me down and make me sign something. They did the pat down (honestly I don&#8217;t remember how thorough it was) and made me re-answer all of the questions they asked me before on a form. Then I had to explain that I had spilled conditioner in my bag and try to remember what brand it was. I went ahead and signed it &#8211; only because I was REALLY afraid I was going to miss my flight. They had started paging me, using my name.</p>
<p>The screeners were happy with my filling out of the form and wished me a nice day. The airline gate person read me the riot act for holding up the plane.</p>
<p>I just remember thinking at the time: &#8220;How did making me sign something make anything any safer?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The brilliance of airport screenings is scary.

A few years back, I was at Tampa late at night, with a child, for our return trip to Milwaukee.  Tampa is a nice airport, with a little shuttle train to the terminals.  However, the brilliant TSA placed the security screening checkpoint right after you got off the train; we got off and proceeded to wait through a crowded and cramped queue line for about a half an hour, all the while being yelled at to keep packing in, since the trains seemed to be delivering people more rapidly than TSA was clearing them.

I was thinking it was hard enough to do this with a kid.  However, directly in front of us was a group of seniors, who patiently waited through the whole thing.  They got to the first TSA agent.  She eyeballed them, and told them to remove their shoes.  Two of them did without trouble, but the oldest lady could not.  There was no place to sit.  We ended up watching her companions hold her under her armpits while she bent over to remove her shoes.

Worse?  These were summer sandals.  You know the kind.  They&#039;ve got cardboard-thin soles and some basic straps to hold them on the foot.  There&#039;s literally nothing substantial to them.  After watching this drama unfold for several minutes, I turned to the TSA agent and asked if that was really necessary to make her remove her shoes.

She gets this very indignant, pompous look on her face and says to me in a loud voice &quot;Well, you know we had a shoe bomber, SIR!&quot;  Like I&#039;m an ignorant idiot who is interfering with her protecting us from the old lady&#039;s sandals.

I mean, come on.  I don&#039;t really mind being asked to take off my workboots too much.  They&#039;re steel-toed and they have thick soles.  Possibly a threat.

However, the threat model is all wrong for the old lady.

Terrorists are more likely to be interested in attacking during the day, when they can leverage live media coverage.

Terrorists are more likely to be interested in bigger, fuel-laden planes, not a regional&#039;s little MD-80&#039;s.

To assume that a group of grandparents is actually a dangerous terrorist cell that&#039;s developed a new super-thin explosive that is embedded in the lady&#039;s wafer-thin shoes is much less likely than the possibility that you&#039;re just a real ass for making her remove her obviously non-dangerous shoes so she can get on her late night low risk flight.

But I can see how you might think that...  if you&#039;ve had a total lobotomy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The brilliance of airport screenings is scary.</p>
<p>A few years back, I was at Tampa late at night, with a child, for our return trip to Milwaukee.  Tampa is a nice airport, with a little shuttle train to the terminals.  However, the brilliant TSA placed the security screening checkpoint right after you got off the train; we got off and proceeded to wait through a crowded and cramped queue line for about a half an hour, all the while being yelled at to keep packing in, since the trains seemed to be delivering people more rapidly than TSA was clearing them.</p>
<p>I was thinking it was hard enough to do this with a kid.  However, directly in front of us was a group of seniors, who patiently waited through the whole thing.  They got to the first TSA agent.  She eyeballed them, and told them to remove their shoes.  Two of them did without trouble, but the oldest lady could not.  There was no place to sit.  We ended up watching her companions hold her under her armpits while she bent over to remove her shoes.</p>
<p>Worse?  These were summer sandals.  You know the kind.  They&#8217;ve got cardboard-thin soles and some basic straps to hold them on the foot.  There&#8217;s literally nothing substantial to them.  After watching this drama unfold for several minutes, I turned to the TSA agent and asked if that was really necessary to make her remove her shoes.</p>
<p>She gets this very indignant, pompous look on her face and says to me in a loud voice &#8220;Well, you know we had a shoe bomber, SIR!&#8221;  Like I&#8217;m an ignorant idiot who is interfering with her protecting us from the old lady&#8217;s sandals.</p>
<p>I mean, come on.  I don&#8217;t really mind being asked to take off my workboots too much.  They&#8217;re steel-toed and they have thick soles.  Possibly a threat.</p>
<p>However, the threat model is all wrong for the old lady.</p>
<p>Terrorists are more likely to be interested in attacking during the day, when they can leverage live media coverage.</p>
<p>Terrorists are more likely to be interested in bigger, fuel-laden planes, not a regional&#8217;s little MD-80&#8242;s.</p>
<p>To assume that a group of grandparents is actually a dangerous terrorist cell that&#8217;s developed a new super-thin explosive that is embedded in the lady&#8217;s wafer-thin shoes is much less likely than the possibility that you&#8217;re just a real ass for making her remove her obviously non-dangerous shoes so she can get on her late night low risk flight.</p>
<p>But I can see how you might think that&#8230;  if you&#8217;ve had a total lobotomy.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unbeleivable incompetence of TSA, not enough male screeners so screen women only, were&#039;nt the 9-11 hijackers all MALE!!!!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Nola Lee Kelsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nola Lee Kelsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Random? Not for me. As I get selected at least 80%+ of the time anyway, I now just automatically walk over to secondary. You can’t really blame them. As one of those pudgy 40 something blondes with translucent Scandinavian skin, I look so unlike a terrorist type it must either be the perfect disguise or I perfectly fit the quota needed to make TSA look like they are not profiling bearded men. I just keep a magazine out and flip through it while they unstuff my perfectly packed carry on. Ho hum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Random? Not for me. As I get selected at least 80%+ of the time anyway, I now just automatically walk over to secondary. You can’t really blame them. As one of those pudgy 40 something blondes with translucent Scandinavian skin, I look so unlike a terrorist type it must either be the perfect disguise or I perfectly fit the quota needed to make TSA look like they are not profiling bearded men. I just keep a magazine out and flip through it while they unstuff my perfectly packed carry on. Ho hum.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...I used to get searched every damned time i flew!  I would feel annoyed, and act accordingly. Then i started adopting a more friendly &quot;hey, it&#039;s not YOUR fault i&#039;m being searched&quot; attitude...would make small talk and just generally make the poor guy/gal who had to piss people off all day long happy and relieved that they got to search ME of all people.  Eventually, over a couple of years, I am now NEVER searched!  

what&#039;s the point of getting pissy and rude over something you have no control over?  do you think THEY like searching you?  Everyone knows it&#039;s a 99.999999% waste of time...so dont torture them, and they&#039;ll probably put you on their &quot;good boy/girl&quot; list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;I used to get searched every damned time i flew!  I would feel annoyed, and act accordingly. Then i started adopting a more friendly &#8220;hey, it&#8217;s not YOUR fault i&#8217;m being searched&#8221; attitude&#8230;would make small talk and just generally make the poor guy/gal who had to piss people off all day long happy and relieved that they got to search ME of all people.  Eventually, over a couple of years, I am now NEVER searched!  </p>
<p>what&#8217;s the point of getting pissy and rude over something you have no control over?  do you think THEY like searching you?  Everyone knows it&#8217;s a 99.999999% waste of time&#8230;so dont torture them, and they&#8217;ll probably put you on their &#8220;good boy/girl&#8221; list.</p>
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