Homeland Security Watch

Comment by John Comiskey

June 30, 2012 @ 9:32 am

Doesn’t educating come before learning?

Shouldn’t homeland security education educate homeland security policy makers and practitioners to secure the homeland?

Shouldn’t we learn the lessons we don’t learn? See: http://www.hsaj.org/?article=2.2.4

Last summer NYC and others did apply some lessons learned.

See: http://www.hlswatch.com/2011/08/29/have-we-cultivated-a-culture-of-preparedness/#comments
Question to HLS blog readers:

How should homeland security higher education educate homeland security policy makers and practitioners to secure the homeland?

Full transparency: My preliminary doctoral dissertation asks this question.

Comment by Philip J. Palin

June 30, 2012 @ 12:43 pm

John, I think the chicken comes before the egg: learning — or at least a willingness to learn — is a precondition to educating.

But while we may disagree here, I have a sense you and I might both appreciate that educate is derived from e-ducere: to lead out. I know that’s what you do.

Comment by Mark Chubb

June 30, 2012 @ 3:08 pm

The Colorado Springs effort illustrates one of the fundamental problems for local governments in informing risk-based decisions in this way (through information regulation). The housing price feedback loop internalizes the future costs of wildfire risk, but in doing so robs the community of the benefit of property tax revenues required to fight those fires that will still occur.

I applaud Colorado Springs for looking to innovative policy formulations, but question their intervention logic. It seems to me a better way of dealing with this issue would have been to create a tax structure that allocated costs according to risk not exposed value. Without an alignment between costs and benefits, any program to shift externality costs will almost inevitably produce perverse consequences.

Comment by Philip J. Palin

June 30, 2012 @ 3:49 pm

Mark, Point taken, accepted, and I will even try to apply your insight on another project soon.

I nonetheless find Firewise impressive as a program that provides risk information. Moreover, there is evidence that the “market” actually pays attention and in some ways has changed behavior based on the information. But… the behavioral shift was not sufficient to reduce systemic risk (even as it reduces property tax revenues, which on first blush did not even occur to me). I am still struggling to understand what this says about risk transfer, acceptance, reduction, and avoidance (or denial).

Given what I perceive of the Colorado Springs political context, I doubt there would have been sufficient support for your approach pre-event. Will it be different now?

Comment by Arnold Bogis

July 1, 2012 @ 11:52 pm

Mark,

I profess ignorance. Can you flesh out this statement? “but in doing so robs the community of the benefit of property tax revenues required to fight those fires that will still occur.”

Living my whole life on the East Coast, I have no experience with wildfires. But it is my simple understanding that NIMS (and more importantly, ICS)originated from the wildfire fighting experience in California. I perceived that no local jurisdiction could handle such events, so a framework was created to integrate the efforts of mutual aid units coming from all over the state.

Watching cable news for a limited amount of time on this story, it also seems as if the firefighters involved are not all from the area.

If this is all relatively accurate, what fires are you referring to in your statement? “Normal” structure fires but not wildfires? What locality could afford to fund a department to fight wildfires? Do they stop when they beat back the flames to the county line (a la Dukes of Hazzard)?

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July 2, 2012 @ 7:55 am

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Comment by Mark Chubb

July 2, 2012 @ 9:45 am

Arnold, despite appearances from a distance, most wildland fires do not start on public lands. They also do not occur in cities. The point here is that the jurisdictions with initial firefighting responsibilities are usually funded by and dependent upon property tax revenues, which are assessed on an ad valorem basis.

Federal, state and private firefighting resources only become available to fight these fires when a local agency cannot manage a fire on its own. This becomes increasingly likely as the revenues available to fund initial operations becomes increasingly constrained.

Most cities have a wide array of revenues available to them, including property taxes, sales taxes, business and occupation taxes, etc. The federal government, as we know, has no authority toi impose property taxes and receives all of its revenues from other sources.

Special districts and unincorporated areas, on the other hand, usually rely almost entirely on property assessments for revenue. The collapse of housing markets has had a devastating effect on revenues for these jurisdictions. Exacerbating this revenue loss by creating feedback loops that internalize future externality costs without reducing the need for present benefits is a recipe for disasters like the ones we’re now witnessing.

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July 3, 2012 @ 5:16 am

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Comment by Michael Brady

July 3, 2012 @ 1:04 pm

If I may make an observation tangential to the original intent of this post…

How many wildfires have local, county, state, and federal emergency management agencies dealt with in the last ten years? How many hurricanes, floods, landslides, tornados, heat waves, droughts, ice storms, blizzards, and bridge collapses have occurred in the decade since 2001? How many Americans died or were injured? How many Americans were displaced – temporarily or permanently? How many Americans were cared for by their neighbors, communities, and government agencies?

Now contrast that with the number of terror attacks – transnational or domestic – that have been perpetrated against Americans, in America, and that resulted in fatalities, injuries, or even property damage affecting Americans since 9/11?

Perhaps it’s time to dispense with the nationalistic, inflammatory, and jingoistic title – Homeland Security – in favor of the original, more descriptive, and most sensible term Emergency Management?

Think of it as the gift of freedom from fear, just in time for our Independence Day.

May each and every one of you enjoy a pleasant, contemplative, and memorable Independence Day with your family, friends, and community.

Comment by Philip J. Palin

July 3, 2012 @ 3:45 pm

Michael, I too have found HS more than a tad Orwellian. At the same time, I wish we could persuade the Emergency Management profession to more fully embrace non-response priorities. But a different label is not the problem there.

Comment by William R. Cumming

August 9, 2012 @ 1:45 am

I would argue that research both basic and applied comes before learning and educating.

Higher Ed should focus on First Principles such as the existence of federalism and its impact on HS and EM!

For EXAMPLE! Who or what organizations and what level of government can perform the tasks (missions?) most effectively, efficiently, and perhaps cheaply (cost vs. benefits) and conduct the risk analysis?

At current rates of increased competence e.g. HHS and CDC are eating the lunch of DoD and FEMA and other preparedness and response organizations! Why and is this a good thing or problematic as a new stovepipe?